Just trying to tie up a few loose ends. When in the history of the Catholic Church have approved apparitions consisted of a Blessed Mother going freestyle outside the Church? Stop judging those who do not heed it. 8/30/93 from Jesus: The door to the soul is free will. I have a close friend who is a member of this organization(its not a catholic site and priests are not allowed to say mass by the bishop.) They have the beautiful Rosary of the unborn. There are none, nor could he name any. In the past ten years I have been there twice. They say so themselves. You have the document that proves condemnation. I hold in my hand an official, signed and sealed copy of the Bayside documentone that I personally obtained straight from the Diocesan archivist. Since its relatively close to where one of my sisters lives, I mentioned the place to her. In this perverted rendering of the Catholic Faith, man is made the center, and the living God in the Holy Eucharist is shunted to the side, ignored, and forgotten. I will pray for you also. Instead, it is us sinners who ask her to pray for us now and at the hour of our death.. It takes awhile to digest such a fraud. I am willing to bet neither can you. Mike. When one resorts to name calling, it is a clear sign of hostility aimed at ones opponent. I am obedient to God first and am fully aware of being discerning. Remember what Joan of Arc went through with bishops. Sin is to use our free will to violate what God wants. What do you find erroneous? The argument is as follows: Bishop Lennon only admonishes the faithful from going to HLM. Period. That would be tantamount to making the Cross into a god. Of course Our Lady needs our prayers. People have been going to this shrine since the early 1990s, drawn by founder Sweeney-Kyles claim that Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary and a host of saints are appearing to her with messages. Holy Love is teaching what the bishops should be teaching. You can find that citation from Catherine of Sienna in the first chapter of her Dialogues. She replied I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, but I cannot deny my voices. Was she disobedient? It is called bitterness. If the local bishop, after investigating, finds nothing supernatural, he will issue a decree of constat de non supernaturalitate(the supernatural is not established) to help warn and protect the faithful. As for arguing about it, from what Im reading here, I dont think it would make any dent whatsoever, no matter how orthodox, learned, or convincing the argument. In the meantime I really cannot understand how this ministry that promotes. These very same men are condemning God for trying to lead His children to safety in a world that is fast becoming hell on earth. Then, when Gods authority on earth the Church speaks against the fraud, a number of otherwise good Catholics get caught in the trap. It is a warning and it contains no forbidding of persons to go to HLM. I without a doubt have prayed for the gift of discernment which comes from God and is not mans decision or judgement and he has undoubtedly given that gift to me. I do not need to. 4 You pray for government leaders who support abortion.". I live less than one mile from where Maureen Kyle-Sweeney was previously receiving messages and visits from heaven. Gods Word NEVER changes. Since there appears to be no dispute of this part of Lennons Decree (at least insofar as the arguments have gone in these comments), what is the premise for going to HLM? My story is quite unusual, perhaps. You may enjoy this one: http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/. I think theres a few things going on here with this person. And they will produce great signs and wonders, so much so as to lead into error even the elect (if this could be). ~Mt 24:24. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. In the case someone wishes to continue with the red-herring that is the admonishing vs. forbidding argument, consider carefully the canons that Bishop Lennon cites in that clause of the Decree. Do not be tricked into overlooking the abundant harvest of grace here. Lennon opens up with a note on his responsibility as the Ordinary of the place. Our beautiful Mother is well within the parameters of Catholic Church law. I affirm to you, my daughter, that each Hail Mary prayed from a loving heart will rescue one of these innocent lives from death by abortion. Catherine of Sienna told them all on 11/18/09 (after Bishop Lennons Decree): Do not be fooled to believe you are not allowed to come., 3221 believes that Jesus Himself said on 11/13/09 (after Bishop Lennons Decree): My brothers and sisters, you must not place OFFICE and AUTHORITY and TITLE above the TRUTH., 3221 believes that St. That is exactly what it equals. GODs revelations strengthen humility, obedience, patience and conformity to His Holy Will. It would be considered as sacred ground. Faith is greater than obedience. I understand the attraction, but Im not understanding that people are rejecting Church authority and facts. Bishops have allowed these spiritual perversions and they will answer to God for it. We can visit any outside chapel on properties, or statues at cemetaries or other religious sites, does that indeed mean we no longer share the Catholic beliefs anymore. If what is taught by an appointed servant of God (bishop, priest, or Pope) is contrary to Catholic teaching, they are not to be obeyed, but even publicly rebuked. If you obey the heresy of unfaithful bishops, you are not being faithful to the Church. The site has been deemed to be not of supernatural origin and the faithful have been admonished to not visit the site, as well as all clerics forbidden to visit or to administer any and all sacraments at this site. Jesus or Mary? By the time I stopped at the latter place, I was much more informed and immediately felt the place was creepy for many reasons. I just read the whole thing and so can anyone else who wishes to read it: http://www.ewtn.com/Library/NEWAGE/MUGABAY.TXT. May God bless you and your family this Christmas season. Again, this is a metaphor for the interior life of grace as it is stated by the mystical theology of the Catholic Church. His friend and business partner, whose farm property held a large cross and the gathering, reported that Steve and visionaries throughout the world had been called by the Blessed Mother to go to Medjugorje. It was a game changer for me. This was in the home on Broadview Rd. 18: 17-18). I will offer my prayers at Mass tomorrow for you. Most of the people who attend Mass now are elderly. I just read in the Summa Theologica that disobedience is right when a church authority is teaching heresy. Bishops DO OWE the faithful an explanation for what they say and do. she was betrayed by one of her own. I did not save all the impassioned emails I received three years ago, but I did find similar comments on a site discussing Holy Love. After an angry backlash of emails telling me how wrong I was, I promised never to write about alleged apparitions again. Lets give everybody another dollop of your skewered thinking. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith and the depth mystical theology that underpins it. Whether or not an organization is under the authority of a diocese it still is free to share Catholic doctrine. This is a New Era in time, and it is all due to Holy Love. It is like the fruit put into the basket of love and humility. Despite all the usual Catholic trappings chapel, statues, rosaries and religious bookstore, not to mention the throngs from across the country and globe the purported visions by Maureen Sweeney-Kyle have been condemned. What are the names of these bishops? Questions remain. You obviously havent read the messages. Holy Love Ministry - Heavenly Messages In 90 Languages - Translation . JESUS CHRIST who has given authority to his Church, not to some nameless and faceless commentator on an Internet web site. Many Catholics wishing to promote alleged or unapproved private revelations use a maxim to justify their position. 1. I know this was not addressed to me, but I will point out that it is not necessary that there even be a heresy at HLM; all that is necessary for the condemnation is for there to be a supernatural claim and for the bishop to find the claim to be in error. Again, I ask you, get SPECIFIC. Now the whole purpose of going to HLM is predicated upon the belief the claims come from God. Thank you so much Kevin. He backed down. It couldve meant anything or nothing. Some Catholics voted for Obama because their Bishop told them it was all right. The past prayers and experiences of Holy Love followers were very real. Catholics must keep their heads on straight and not wander from Church teachings, but praying at an apparition site is not wrong. What I almost certain of is that he does not reveal that he abandoned his family for this ministry. Therese of Lisieux ((Doctor of the Church) told her novices Pick up a pin and save a soul. The apparitions are real. To go to Holy love, see a beautiful statute and maybe be at peace on what to me, is very much holy ground, doesnt mean your believing in Maureen and no longer the church at all. HLM teaches the truths of the Catholic Faith in full. The big argument against those who continue to attend HLM is that they are disobeying Bishop Lernnon. s mortal sins' if they remembered His Wound once a day the indulgence attached to this revelation has been condemned by the Holy See under the reign of Pope Leo XIII! Contrary to the Bayside fiasco, Bishop Lennon could not cite one error from HLM. Both her ignorance of Catholic doctrine, as well as her inability to think clearly became obvious for all to see. If people were inspired or received what they believe to be miracles at this site, then praise be to God! Catechesis in the American Church are heretical and distorted. Walk in love by choosing to speak life and build others up with your words. That approval/disapproval belongs to the Bishop of the Diocese in which HLM is, in this case Bishop Lennon. I call upon every poster (and future ones as well) to ignore 3221. It attributes whole malice to persons, effectively demonizing them. We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides. St. The above alone constitutes sufficient evidence for the constat de non supernaturalitate judgment of Bishop Lennon. You neglect to understandand you really should have understood from your correspondence with those whom you consultedthat danger to the true Faith lurks in a lack of authentic Catholic doctrine,or in Scriptural misinterpretation, not in externals such as rosaries, statues, or vocal prayers. No ecclesiastic has the right to water it down, to distort it, to misinterpret it,purposely or otherwise. Look at the fruits of the bishops catechesis for the last 40 years. Until and unless that happens, people are endangering their souls by going there. However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. On Holy Love Ministries. When we use our free will to do as God asks us , it is called cooperating with grace. In that consecration to God, we can accept the Cross, help bear the cross, follow the way of the Cross. Patti Maguire Armstrong is a TV talk show host ofLadies of Another Viewand an award-winning author andmagazines and newspaper journalist. HLM does not encourage disobedience to legitimate Catholic authority. I just needed to love my neighbor to be saved no matter concern for personal sin, let your (unformed) conscience be your guide, do what feels right The idea of being privy to messages from heaven can be intoxicating and raise ones spirits even closer to heaven. (This link is for how to joinits freehttp://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/2012/06/10/spiritual-direction-book-club-how-do-i-join-it). Do you have information or thoughts about the apparitions that supposedly occur at the site in Alabama? I desire that they turn to Me with trust, through prayer in their every need" Once again, I urge you to trust in My Provision Our will doesnt determine what flows from the BVM. It was a no show for the Blessed Mother. Does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about his pattern of lying that has been documented from his time in Boston where he participated fully in the cover up of literally thousands of sexual abuse cases and which continued here in Ohio? I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site of Holy Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name Catholic or represent itself as a Catholic group, Lennon said in his decree. 3221 is a goner and is a member of the Holy Love Church. Excellent, Elizabeth. They offered all punishment as a sacrifice for the salvation of souls in the Heart of the World. He cannot act in us unless we give Him our free will choice to do so. I meant to speak more generally. It is naive and foolish to assume something so shallow as to call one bishops discernment the Voice of the Church itself.. Bishop Zanic, local bishop of Mejugorie, disapproved of that apparition, and the Vatican disregarded his discernmemt completely and instead handed over the decision to a committee. There is NO reason for anyone to go to HLM now. It is what it is. The Decree has all the right elements. Therefore, stand guard over your hearts and know that the grace of My Heart will see you through every situation. Yet, if everyone had awaited an official pronouncement from the Church, the 60,000 people that witnessed the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, Portugal would have stayed home that day. Bishop Lennons statement said it was a warning and that is what is wasa warning. People can follow Sweeny-Kyle or the Church, but not both. He pledged to obey a church directive to dissolve the corporation. She is within the parameters of canon law. If you enjoyed this article, subscribe to receive more great content just like it. This latter is considered a false obedience. If this is of God, it wont go away, as we are told in scripture. And the pilgrims are indeed coming even from other countries. There is no self-promotion, pride or profiting. In Marinos case, I later learned that he got involved in a worldwide movement built around Medjugorje and tried to use that connection to make Kettle River a major Marian shrine. They often are not obedient to our Holy Father and his Magisterium, They have many times misled the faithfulremember, it is the Catholic vote that re-elected Obamaand they are largely responsible for the moral confusion and defiance to Rome that plagues the United States. These are the last words I will address to you. Saying something is not supernatural in origin is saying that something is not supernatural in origin. Read works written by St. Thomas Aquinas. It is just that simple. And, yes, Clevelands Bishop Lennon closed a number of churches and had to reverse some/all. We have no affiliation with the Diocese of Cleveland. She is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit, Who is One with Her through grace FLOWS THROUGH HER. 3221, back up and read what you just wrote. The difference in wording is salient. The argument that HLM followers are disobedient to Bishop Lennon does not hold up when you look at the procedures happening with an other unapproved appartion site. Are you aware that sometimes the local Ordinary does not publicize reasons for his condemnation of a case because they are personal or private in nature? After the Bishops decree, I felt compelled to appeal to all Holy Love followers, to accept the fact that the Church has the authority to condemn this site. Once again, thank you for your witness and speaking boldly and clearly for the Church. A non-believer can simply read the older warning messages, dated much before any occurrences, and see for himself. Piety, prayer and good works are not lone criteria for authenticating heavenly revelations. and you are too kind Harry! Again, I reiterate something said above: the law of non-contradiction still stands. The one place I can go today to be instructed in the depth of the Catholic Faith is Holy Love Ministries. You just looked up how obedience is defined in the CCC. Believe., ***********************************************, (10/14/12-JESUS) In his examination of Holy Love Ministries, which will be the subject of the next part of this message, Bishop Lennon and his unnamed expert did not state any specific distortion or misrepresentation of authentic Catholic doctrine or any Scriptural misinterpretation they found there. Ive not heard anything about this. Zanics decision according to the Vatican, was not definitive in any way. You choose to twist and squirm and find excuses so theres no point in continuing this with you. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. I now know to actively discern these things and what to look for. Sure, the Church can be overly hard on mystics at times, but the authentic ones OBEYED anyway. I will fight to the death for my true Catholic Faith. Much private revelation which is worthy and poignant to these harrowing times is being subdued by erroneous even rash judgments., Such is the case here in this Mission which I have come to defend. You are here: Home Featured Apparitions at Holy Love Ministries Revisited. We must be vigilant always. Este sitio tambien tiene articulos del famoso Padre Fortea, exorcista en espana. That means that he had, and has, four chambers in the human heart of His human nature. Consider the options the devil has available to trap faithful Catholics? Thank you very much for your articles I found these videos of Holy Love on YouTube and several of them seem to be advertisements for the Donald Trump campaign: You had better vote for him or else God will inflict a terrible punishment on America. He and a partner formed a corporation and bought hundreds of acres of land through donations. I gave her the spring water and almost right away she became pregnant, Then just about two years ago went to the new place with my daughter. What Bishop would stop Christians from praying the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy and many Holy prayers there, in pouring rain, sleet, thunderstorms, frigid, & hot temperature together? There is very little dealing with specifics, just continuous harping on Lenons decree.. You yourself are trying to be specific, but what you are doing is exhibiting your inability to think straight. Yet, as an ecumenical ministry it found time and space in many of its printed materials to rail against the Church. That I do not accept your derision of HLM? My loyalty and obedience is to God first. If Jesus were giving messages on all truth to individuals, the result would not be thousands of denominations going in different directions. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PU.HTM And again, if you are questioning such an orthodox, fundamental concept it only goes to prove that you are very mixed up. What is the applicable Canon number for what you have just stated? Consider the options the devil has available to trap faithful Catholics? I asked why the Blessed Mother would be operating outside the Church. 8/9/93 from Our Lady: There is no peace, save in the grace of My Heart. This is contrary to our faith. The Bishops decree against the Some take them in but then spit them out never assimilating them. Ha! Or Jesus and Mary incessantly talk about U.S. politics, politicians, who to vote for, applauding various election outcomes. Am also not responding to a number that shall go nameless! You are presenting one of his objections as the conclusion (Therefore, a Superior is not to be obeyed in all things). It is through our free will that we either choose to cooperate with the grace that God offers us, or we choose to reject His grace. For Bishop Lennon to state in his canonical decree regarding Holy Love Ministries,.having reviewed the theological content of the alleged apparitions to Maureen Sweeney-Kyle, and having consulted an expert in this matter, I .declare the alleged apparitions and locations(I think he means locutions)are not supernatural in origin. one has to say that he disavows anything supernatural in origin in the teachings of the Catholic Faith, for the doctrine of Holy Love Ministries is the full Catholic teaching in all its pristine splendor. The clarity and the authenticity of the mystical theology taught there is the Catholic Faith. Holy Love 37137 Butternut Ridge Road, North Ridgeville, OH 44039 Sitemap, The Way to Heaven Through the Chambers of the United Hearts, Topical Studies & Additional Valuable Resources, Children of the United Hearts Association, Defending the Mission, Ministry and Apparitions, https://www.holylove.org/wp-content/uploads/Holy%20and%20Divine%20Love%20Messages%20-%20God%20the%20Fathers%20nuances%20and%20depth%20for%20each%20of%20the%20Ten%20Commandments%206%2024%20to%207%2013%202021.mp3, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA, HLM Intro-video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk, HLM 5min Overview Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk). You might wish toreview the meaning of the these theological terms. I am wondering whether bishop Lennon is an orthodox bishop or not. I did. Say what you will, the Church has historically given mystics a very hard time, those who are now known as saints, and sites of miracles. Do not take what St. Ignatius says out of context. Did you see my note above on Mary Divine Mercy or MDM that some HLM devotees are now also gravitating towards. Grace and virtue dont flow from the Blessed Virgin Mary through our own free will. I was At the previous site. If the apparatitions turn out to be true then you will have ignored them for a false reason, which does not seem to bother you. Thomas T. emailed me last summer and we had a back and forth debate on the authenticity of the apparitions. We hear the Church when we follow Her official pronouncements. In March 1992, the Duluth Diocese investigated, and ultimately advised Catholics to stay away. There is no error in what is coming out of HLM. May God be with you; Ive said all I have to say. I have come to ask you some questions to help you to think like citizens of Heaven, not of earth..My brothers and sisters, you must not place OFFICE and AUTHORITY and TITLE above the TRUTH., I, your Eternal Father, call you here. This explicitly negative judgment is a definitive God is not the source of this claim.. I am fighting for my true Faith of which the bishops of this country are trying to rob me. The roads to hell are paved wit their skulls, according to St.Philip Neri. He states that our Faith and its preservation come before obedience to a bishop. Resist him, firm in faith (1 Pet. Design by Perceptions Studio. You are mixing up forgiving hurts and evils that are done to us with condoning sin. In combination with Marys heart that would make ten chambers. Before I wrote my original article on Holy Love, I had called and talked with someone from the ministry. reported that Kyle responded to Lennons decree by stating, https://catholicexchange.com/2006/11/06/94475/, The Real Marie Antoinette | feat. It is clear form reading the comments here that most of those who are commenting are very mixed.up. In 2005 an article in The Plain Dealer newspaper of Cleveland, OH reported on this ministry and its many suspicious claims: The ministry was formed around 1986, meeting in homes of followers or a few welcoming churches. Apparently, the final authority of the Catholic Church agrees with Lennons position. Come, Lord Jesus! It implies that everything is OK and anything goes. Hang in there! I figured that someone who made such a claim above (Mr/Ms 3221) would know! My argument did not win him over. The corruption within the Church is so evident for all to see. The Catholics of this country, for long years now, have been denied the full and deep doctrine of the Mass,the sacraments, sin, grace and purgatory. I love it deeply, for it has led me to know God, to love Him, and to serve Him in this world so that I may be happy with Him in the next. I dont know how to accomplish it, but this is where the problem lies., in my opinion. Thank you for the prayers. It doesnt matter what I may or may not want to point out from the decades of messages. Why is it hard for you to grasp the Bishops attempt to stop his sheep from going to a place that has been deemed not of supernatural origin? Give me some more points. Yes, there are those within Church structure that do not follow Church teaching. This is and has always been the teaching of the Catholic Church. The Church is very clear in her language and Bishop Lennon went as far as he could go without being out of line canonically. People pray and love God and God answers prayers. Any basic science course that teaches something of the human anatomy teaches that the human heart has four chambers not six. Ill take the apparitions, thank you. Let me ask you a question: What will you do and to whomor should I say to Whom will you be obedient when your bishop tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only a symbol and not really the Body and Blood of Jesus? They lacked the faith and humility that Joan had. You and those who are bashing the messages of HLM are not exhibiting to me common sense at all. So my questions to all you believers of this Holy Love Ministrywhat happened to the miraculous spring of water that was claimed to be on said premise? Menu and widgets. Youre welcome! He knew better than to say there is nothing credible (worthy of belief) there. I have seen that more than once with my own eyes, I have seen priests take parishioners on a long trip to visit that abomination. Her messages are all of holy love, and doing gods will. Wow, is that ever an expose! I am writing again about Holy Love because some followers contacted me regarding my article of 11/20/09 (reproduced below), Proclamation on Holy Love Will Test Hearts and Obedience. @denis: Well yes, of course Ive heard of Joan of Arc. We try to live holy lives and follow Gods Will. The harping criticism is that to be Catholic one must be obedient to ones bishop no matter what. In this case, he has now gotten some devout Catholics to separate themselves by the Church by one degree that of disobedience. Clothe me in Your Divine Will. Be VERY alert. HLM says it isnt a Catholic organization.