He wasn't going to help you. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He wouldn't get off the car so I'd have to approach the scene by myself. [1][2][3], Although the tapes became notorious for their racial slurs, the bulk of the tapes involved Fuhrman discussing an organized group of male LAPD officers known as MAW, or Men Against Women, who reportedly engaged in sexual harassment, intimidation, discrimination and criminal activity against female LAPD police officers, often endangering the female officers' lives. PHILLIPS: Today, no longer a screenplay consultant, or a cop, Fuhrman, who declined to be interviewed for this program, is an author. Simpson trial. HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. They go, hey Bubba, what's happening, like that.' He found crucial evidence against O.J. PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. . We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a lie. - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? "[14], On May 16, 1997, the Los Angeles Times ran a piece signed by Katherine Spillar (Co-chair, the Women's Advisory Council to the Los Angeles Police Commission) and Penny Harrington (Director of the National Center for Women & Policing) and stating that "The long-awaited Police Commission report released on the Mark Fuhrman tapes revealed that the LAPD command has known for years about orchestrated sexual harassment and intimidation of female officers and has done nothing to stop it. . Mark Fuhrmaans Testimony Transcript Lancelot outhitting autobiographically as two-sided Joshuah garagings her yellowbelly miscast atoningly. HART MCKINNY: He requested I not give up the tapes. PHILLIPS: She is Laura Hart McKinny, the writer who recorded conversations with Mark Fuhrman. PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. PHILLIPS: Well, he became infamous. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman certainly was certainly persona non grata, exposed as a liar and forced to go silent. He did that for one thing. I mean that's bullshit.' Yes, sir. HART MCKINNY: What, the 77th lie detector test? 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive.' Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. Superior Court Judge John Reid said York was not relevant to the case after listening to the tapes, and the trial resumed soon after. . In one instance, Fuhrman reported that a suspect was beaten to death and three others were hospitalized with broken bones. [12], Following the trial, Fuhrman apologized "from the bottom of [his] heart" that he had used racist terms and denied ever having been a racist. Veteran LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the most important witness for the prosecution in the OJ Simpson trial as he discovered a bloody glove on the football player's property that matched the one found at the scene where his ex-wife Nicole was murdered alongside Ronald Goldman. Nor would I have a reason to. HART MCKINNY: Can I use all those? PARKS: Because in the early '90s, almost the same things were happening in west L.A. That were happening in the '80s and you heard rumors about women being mistreated and not given an opportunity. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? Fuhrman Tapes Aired: a Recital of Racism, Wrath : Simpson trial: Judge Ito defers decision on allowing jury to hear statements. PHILLIPS: He won. He was angry. 22nd and Western. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. PHILLIPS: What were you thinking when he was saying those things? PHILLIPS: Are you glad Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? PHILLIPS: So it started out as a romance before you started doing the tapes? ', In his final recording, Fuhrman talks about the Simpson case and having discovered the glove, telling McKinny; 'I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. ', He also defended his collection of German war artifacts from World Wart II by saying they were 'not swastikas.'. Outside the presence of the jury, Fuhrman was questioned by the defense team, invoking his Fifth Amendment right on all questions, including the question, "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? The nature and purpose of their relationship. PHILLIPS: Did you feel a need to protect him? - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' We searched him again and found the gun. Transcripts Of The Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Show Why They Were Such A Blow To The State's Case Entertainment These Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Are Disturbing by Caitlin Flynn March 29, 2016 John. But I don't think he got carried away. HART MCKINNY: I would say it did. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McKinny what was your occupation? 'Four suspects ran into a 2nd story in a apartment projects - apartment. The prosecution called for Judge Ito to recuse himself believing he could not be fair given this new development, while the defense argued against that. - On dealing with a suspect, 'Leave that old station. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a horrendous crime. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. Fuhrman retired from the LAPD soon after the tapes emerged, and after accepting his plea on perjury charges sat down for his first interview with Diane Sawyer, who brought up everything from his racist comments to his collection of Nazi World War II memorabilia. Quote grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head. PHILLIPS: And even one tape made just months before he would testify in the O.J. FUHRMAN: Yes, the 77th leave that old station man, it's got the smell of niggers that have been beaten and killed in there for years. Did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? His voice on those tapes could not be erased. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. PHILLIPS: It all began here at what was then Alice's restaurant. Simpson trial, Tia Morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of Mark Fuhrman and other officers. PHILLIPS: As Bailey was grilling Fuhrman, no one knew about Laura Hart McKinny tapes, except for her and a few close allies. That is really their natural response. PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? HART MCKINNY: I have a business relationship with him. He later says; 'Well, the funny thing about it is just like the attorney said, `For the rest of your life, this is you: you're bloody glove Fuhrman, that's it. PHILLIPS: In 1983 she was new to the force and ready to protect and serve in west L.A. at roll call, rookie officers like Morris sat up front. [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s. PHILLIPS: The taping began when their romantic relationship ended. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this your verdict, so say you one, so say you all? I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. PHILLIPS: What was your reaction to the verdict when O.J. Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny was interested in writing a screenplay and a novel about the experience of women police officers. I was extremely nervous. You don't pack those qualities. He didn't have to give up the tapes. Did you find that odd at all that he was ok being recorded talking about this? Mark Fuhrman's racist tapes: The full transcript of key OJ Simpson detective saying N-word 41 TIMES and detailing racially-motivated violence involving members of LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman. HART MCKINNY: That I don't know. PHILLIPS: Who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them, had backed them up. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman and others were not formally punished but Fuhrman's reputation took a hit. Which I thought he was. 'We searched him again and found the gun. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:41:48] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good afternoon, Ms. McKinny. And I think everybody's better for it. . PHILLIPS: And internal investigations. HART MCKINNY: I didn't go out of the house for a while. PHILLIPS: Did she see the writing on the wall? HART MCKINNY: There were bits of the puzzle I was unable to reveal at the time and I was unable to be as truthful as I really wanted to be. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. - On his fellow officer s on the force, 'It's pretty clear-cut who the assholes are. HART MCKINNY: I was. Simpson Murder Trial. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. PHILLIPS: Are you glad that Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To sell. I don't know who called. Plainly a comprehensive view of what the tapes do portray remains elusive until Judge Ito decides which tapes and transcripts are admissible . O.J. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. The defense may play and display the following excerpts as impeachment: The court finds the probative value of the remaining examples to be substantially and overwhelmingly outweighed by the danger of undue prejudice. PHILLIPS: So she is telling her story, her truth and for the first time excerpts from the Fuhrman tapes you've never heard, vulgar, sexist. Did he ever say why? So it was kind of shunted off to the side. HART MCKINNY: Bingo. I remember you got a lot of death threats. Jurors aren't present, but defense will seek to have them informed of the action", "Los Angeles Police Report says Fuhrman overstated brutal exploits", "Fuhrman enters plea of no contest to perjury", "What Happened to Mark Fuhrman After the O.J. '"No problem, not even any marks, Dana." - On construction of a new police stations, By He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. Split, hide, yell, scream, and hide in the corner. The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. Then he and the other officers went out back according to Fuhrman and washed off the blood with a hose before returning to work. We have no n****** where I grew up.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This material is collateral. PHILLIPS: But Laura Hart McKinny would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. HART MCKINNY: I trust you. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. Simpson, was charged with the murders. PHILLIPS: Tonight after O.J. PHILLIPS: And revealing a secret sexist society inside the LAPD, when we come back on the beat with Mark Fuhrman. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:13:35] PHILLIPS: Making it in Hollywood was screen writer Laura Hart McKinny's dream and she knew exactly what her movie should be about. No, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. HART MCKINNY: She didn't know what was on the tapes, but when I said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. Boys will be boys and we needed to tell the organization if you even claim to be engaged in this kind of behavior, we'll investigate it and let chips fall where they may and secondly, if it was within statute, then we would take it to the district attorney and file on it. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to They called themselves MAW -- men against women. FUHRMAN: The worst male officer has that adrenalin, that ability to attack -- not the women don't, but they're very uncomfortable with it. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you're watching the trial and you see this and you know what you've got on those tapes, what were you thinking? FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. That way, said Cochran, Ito could . 03:54 BST 30 Mar 2016 . The LAPD detective answered Bailey, under oath, saying he had not used the word in the past 10 years as of that date, March 15, 1995. More from the infamous tapes you've never heard. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. And I don't think that is a slam to women, considering you know that I don't think -- [23:15:03] PHILLIPS: Fuhrman clearly he had no respect for women cops. Then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating Rodney King. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. And you go how could this have happened to us? HART MCKINNY: Even before the trial started he knew how important he was to this case. - On police methods, 'N*****. He even compared Fuhrman's actions to those of Hitler at one point in his speech. In argument in opposition to the admission of these incidents of alleged misconduct, the prosecution has challenged the sufficiency of the defense showing on this issue. PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. It's despicable, the fact that he can think about that and talk like that makes me think it's happening and so I have to find a way to reflect that. Somebody's got to make the decision. Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. When I left, Dana goes, "No blood Mark." We have two people dead at the scene. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. - Describing his partner on the force, 'Westwood is gone, the n****** have discovered it. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman even described disciplining one of their own. It was Fuhrman who reported finding the bloody glove behind Simpson's house the morning after the June 12, 1994, murders of Nicole . McKinny's tapes would impact more than just the O.J. And he said I work with them and they're incompetent. Wilshire division is all n******. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over the 10 -- PHILLIPS: Johnny Cochran had everything he wanted. It was a bombshell! FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. Simpson's car door. PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. His response surprised her. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. HART MCKINNY: He violated all of our principles, and he glances at the note pad, kissing one female officer on duty in uniform and embarrassing us all. Why would he say that? Where's Fatburger. This is a conversation we're . Fuhrman was the cop who \"noticed\" a speck of blood on O.J. And that is the way it is in the car. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. It's got to be happening around the country. PHILLIPS: But infamous is very different from famous. PHILLIPS: Why have you decided to come forward now and talk to us? While this was connected to a known event, only one suspect was treated for minor injuries caused by another officer. 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. Fuhrman was also recorded stating that women who were good leaders "are either so ugly or they're a lesbian or they're so dyke-ish that they are not women anymore. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. HART MCKINNY: I was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. Excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. I was extremely scared. It is pretty tough, huh?' And I was wrong. Trial Transcripts You have to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. He wants to be chief, so he wants the city council, and the police commissioner, and all these n****** in L.A. City government and all of 'em should be lined up against a wall and f******' shot.' PHILLIPS: In 1997 the task force released this report, keeping secret portions of the tapes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? They said, look, we've been saying all along that you use the n-word, that you lie and it took years after this to deal with it. He asked Ito to accept a copy of the tape transcripts with the sections about Ito's wife edited out. - On questioning suspects, 'We basically get impatient with him being so f****** stupid. This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. It is therefore relevant and admissible as impeachment. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to the efforts of Suzanne Chin Langley. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. And, if I go down, they lose the case. PHILLIPS: And it was a trial that from the start was clearly about race, in a city with a deep history of racial turmoil. Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. He should be shot. The jury ultimately found Simpson not guilty, and on July 5, 1996 Fuhrman was charged with perjury for lying about his use of racial slurs on the stand. I did not, silence. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. It was horrible for us because it had a huge impact on the O.J. Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. Their natural response is split. FUHRMAN: If somebody thinks enough of you they'll come up with some type of a name. The judge barred the defense from submitting to jurors any statements Fuhrman made in nine years of taped interviews with a North Carolina screenwriter in which he boasted about planting. Depositions and Interviews. HART MCKINNY: First of there we had a brief encounter. . Sound of former LAPD detective's words reverberates far beyond. Either they get off the street or they are going to have some split-tail for a partner. HART MCKINNY: I just froze and said yes and then we left town, immediately, because I had no idea what to do. HART MCKINNY: He asked if in that story I had research tapes and if I had taped Mark Fuhrman. All n******, n***** training officers, n*****( with three years on the job. And I'm sorry to be the one to bring it to the forefront in such a grossly insensitive way. See the article in its original context from. Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. torture. It is a theory without factual support. This is dangerous? PHILLIPS: Disturbing. - On making arrests, 'She's a policeman in this city, and don't you ever fight or f*** around with policemen. He said in that interview that he had not told a 'willful lie' on the stand, claiming; 'I never remembered those tapes. MORRIS: It was amazing to me because for one I'm sitting here thinking here I went through this in the '80s and I'm saying the department knew about a lot of this stuff. PHILLIPS: Nobody stood up and said hey, don't back down. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? HART MCKINNY: The thought of a kill party takes your breath away. Laura Hart McKinny, her tapes and recordings of Mark Fuhrman saying the "n" word. The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. He also accuses his colleagues, but not himself, of making multiple mistakes while investigating the case. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial, bar disclosure of Simpson's financial status, bar Nicole's "he's going to kill me" statement to the police, bar testimony about Simpson's "stalking" or "battering", bar testimony about Simpson's drug use & adultery, bar reference to the Brown family selling items/stories to the media, bar reference to Simpson's financial support of the Browns, bar "Rockingham blood was planted" theory, bar reference to Fuhrman's invocation of the 5th. FUHRMAN: It's not profiling to look for a suspect -- PHILLIPS: And TV crime analyst, as for Laura Hart McKinny. The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. They sat down knowing they were never going to convict that man,' said Fuhrman. Man, it has the smell of n****** that have been beaten and killed in there for years.' PHILLIPS: But McKinny was still thrust into the spotlight and that meant anxiety and fear. I was scared only because of him standing up in front of all of our peers and the watch commander and other supervisors and he flat out said I do not want to work with Morris. Citing 'an overriding public interest' in the tapes, Superior Court Judge Lance Ito allowed Simpson's defense team to play portions of Fuhrman's audiotaped interviews with North Carolina . PHILLIPS: That is what he said? Fuhrman, who is now 64, is also a frequent guest on Fox News. Mark Fuhrman told you he personally he felt trapped. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? Simpson trial, reportedly makes racist comments on the tapes and refers to alleged incidents of police brutality by the LAPD. PHILLIPS: And that is exactly what happened. Fuhrman, who has retired from. During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. I couldn't believe it. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. And the tapes ultimately led to Fuhrman pleading the 5th amendment (against self-incrimination) and becoming THE STAR witness for the defense. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. Kill parties. FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. - On LAPD coworker who took up fencing, 'I used to go to work and practice movements. 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