In the years since, authorities have linked him to an additional five deaths. He founded the Sav-a-Lot thrift stores and lived in the beautiful Fox Hollow estate. He faced charges for a total of 33 murders. When she asked where hed found it, he said that he got it in the woods of their 18-acre estate, Fox Hollow Farm, a few miles outside Indianapolis. Marie, Erich, and then Emily. Get an all-access pass to never-before-seen content, free digital evidence kits, and much more! August 15, 2017. The material were going to cover [00:24:30] is going to be dark, and the journeys going to be difficult. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. From Iheartradio and Tenderfoot TV, Monster presents INSOMNIAC. She wouldnt have raised us with him., Kelly Otis, a detective who was on the BTK task force, agreed, saying, Its absolutely true; they never knew about it.. I have to keep moving forward for now anyway. But those old books were enough to get me started and more than enough to show me that fact is almost always more interesting than fiction. Hes amiable, and even laughs a bit. WebJulie Baumeister Communications & Events Coordinator at Great River Greening; Richfield Foundation Board Member & Secretary Minneapolis, MN. Mawson described their encounter at a bar in Seattle toPeople magazine:I thought, Hes good looking. The once-successful Sav-A-Lot stores were nearing bankruptcy, and the couple was contemplating divorce. Founded in 2010, Thought Catalog is owned and operated by The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. For over a decade, we've been at the bleeding edge of media, pioneering an infrastructure for creatives to flourish both artistically and financially. [00:02:00] Normally I keep everything to myself. Hoff was a newdivorce and had two daughters from her previous marriage. But I wouldnt necessarily call it entertaining anymore or fun or relaxing in any way. They feel the need to brag and receive recognition they think they deserve for their depraved acts. by insomniacpod | Jun 26, 2019 | Uncategorized | 0 comments. WhenRaderconfessedto police, he said his wife once found one of the poems he wrote about a victim; she admitted the poem scared her. Right from the beginning, Julie has claimed that the Herb Baumeister, we know the serial killer is not the same Herb Baumeister that she was married to. But later the same year, Herb and Julie got back together and purchased a large estate called Fox Hollow Farm. Scott Benjamin: The poor thing deserved a better fate than that. The question is this, is Herb really that upset about the treatment of a dead raccoon, or is he using this as an opportunity to try to blend in? Serial killers are master manipulators and experts at hiding in plain sight, and many have the ability to live double lives for years without getting caught. Following his arrest, Paula was granted an emergency divorce, and Dennis did not contest the separation. He may have asked the wrong neighbors. Along with her mother and two daughters from a previous marriage, Hoff lived in the Illinois home where Gacy committed many of his murders. Even more privacy came in the summer months when Julie and the kids would go to visit Herbs mother in northern Indiana. Credits: Insomniac is a production of iHeartRadio and TenderfootTV. I think all of this is related to Herbs untreated condition, his schizophrenia. When Julie asked Herb Baumeister, her husband of 23 years, about the bones, he told her they were from his anesthesiologist fathers medical school skeleton. Newscaster: A raccoon which met its demise on the yellow line became one with the paint. The good news is that I do see a way out. They have to be very cold, calculating and extremely careful about what they do. This obsession has led me down a darker path, [00:24:00] one that I dont want to be on anymore. Hans Bellmer created and photographed life-sized fetish dolls in the 1930s, and [00:14:30] the sexualized doll photography of German arts Helmut Newton is another example. The Dayton Daily News reported that the 15-year-old found a skull on the property and showed it to his mother. How could he be so sure of their loyalty? Buildings where gruesome crimes have occurred, known as psychologically affected real estate, are often razed. Yet, she did nothing. Herb, of course, refused the search and since the police didnt have enough evidence for a warrant, they had to leave. Authorities knocked on the door of the Baumeister residence in November of 1995 and asked Herb for permission to search his estate. Related: 10 Serial Killers Who Were Never Caught. She said in an interview, Our biggest question now is how he could have loved us and done this., Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, Horror Movies That Don't Look Like Horror Movies. Im supposed to be working. The tale is filled with such horror that its easy to overlook the mannequins. Eric brought the skull to his mother who then asked him where he had found it. After all, he had planned to do this somewhere else. Three years ago, the owners agreed to open their home for regular visits from the haunted-house travel company. Herb Baumeister: This was just Pretty sure a chalk line drawn [00:27:30] around his career by state officials. When the two of them met, Herb In spite of the unwholesome reputation of the place, the Graves family says that they love their home, with Vicki Graves describing it as a lifestyle.. This podcast started out as a deep dive into some of the cases that interested me. Gay men were disappearing in the area, and they had usually last been seen in the citys gay bars and nightclubs. Whenauthorities discoveredtwo barrels containing bodies on Robinson's farm property, murder charges soon followed. Robinson was a family man and good neighbor, grilling hamburgers on the weekends for neighborhood cookouts. Julie confronted her husband about the allegations, buthe denied any involvement;she believed him. Hes relatively calm. She wasnt able to see Herbs day-to-day activities and it gave him plenty of freedom to use the house, and in particular the indoor pool, any way he wanted. Next time on Insomniac. Make this guided journal your trusted friend during your journey to feeling whole again. He kept them around for company. Ive listened to and read so much true crime over the years, I didnt think this process would be any different but it is. "He always had answers to everything," Linda said. Police found the remains of at least 11 men at Fox Hollow Farm, eight of which were eventually identified. They found the remains of seven men on the Baumeister property. Im Scott Benjamin and everything Im about to tell you is real. 2. Also, not all of these marriages have ended in divorce. Every shovel full of dirt seemed to bring more and more bones to the surface. He choked Smart with a pool [00:11:30] hose while he masturbated and passed out. Its just completely opposite [00:13:00] of the way its supposed to be, its completely flip flopped, and I dont know how to fix this, but Ive got to pretty soon. [00:14:30] Its a question I always have regarding the spouses of serial killers, how is it possible that they dont know their partner is guilty of murdering people outside and sometimes even inside their own home? She asked her son to lead her to where he found the skull and the 13-year-old led her to a pile of bones. He had shot himself and left a three-page suicide note, but he did not mention the murders he was believed to have committed. Reports of strange dreams, misbehaving vacuum cleaners, and the figure of a man in a red t-shirt blend with more sinister tales of apparitions walking without legs and the feeling of cold hands trying to choke LeBlanc in the pool. Thats when her son brought home a human skull. In late June of 1996, while on a visit to his mother in northern Indiana, Julie decided that she had enough. Robinson proposed to Lynchduring one of their first dates. The particularly adventuresome can even take haunted tours of the property hosted by American Hauntings Ghost Tours. By 1991, however, the stores struggled to make a profit, which took a toll on the Baumeisters' marriage. Youll undoubtedly hear about Herb Baumeisters several murders, or the boys he cultivated then lured home. The informant tried to get Smart to talk more about the missing Goodlet, but every time he mentioned the missing man, Smart became evasive and changed the subject. He finished his long note with the line that he simply wanted to eat a peanut butter sandwich, his favorite snack, and then go to sleep. It has not disappointed, Taylor says. While Ridgway was incarcerated, he maintained his innocence and told Mawson that the police had captured the wrong person. All the while she knew that someone was buried in the woods behind the house. Thats when someone receives pleasure from suffocation or being choked either during intercourse or masturbation, often to the edge of death. Was it really the pressures of a failed marriage and business, or was there something more sinister to the story? No effort to get it out of the way. Their website calls Fox Hollow Farm one of the most terrifying locations we have EVER investigated. They claim that the Graves family found even more human remains on the farm, and that they have witnessed apparitions and heard voices, knocks, and footsteps in the house. St Paul, Minnesota, United States. WebHerb Baumeister: the Hoosier serial killer youve probably never heard of. It was apparent that Smart had done this before, and the man said that his hands were strong and confident around his neck as he strangled him to the edge of death. So why mannequins? Rader also said right before his arrest, his wife told him, You spell just like BTK.". Thepolice arrested Robinsonin 2000 after two women reported him for assault and robbery. [00:04:00] On July 2nd, 1996, a Canadian trooper cautiously approached the driver of the vehicle parked under a bridge. Payne Lindsey: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the authors and participants and do not necessarily represent those of iHeart media, Stuff Media or its employees. I find myself looking at crime scene photos [00:01:30] for hours at a time. He would throw furniture, she said. This was because Jerry tookhis victims to the house; made them pose in high heels and lingerie; tookphotos of them; thenmurdered them. The location became a hot spot for paranormal researchers. He claimed it was a medical research skeleton that belonged to his now deceased father who was an anesthesiologist. Create a free profile to get unlimited access to exclusive videos, breaking news, sweepstakes, and more! Two other people Scott A Baumeister and Colleen Jasken are associated with this address. One man who lived on the property said There are places in my house my wife doesnt like to go that make her hair stand up on the back of her neck. The home and surrounding woods have been investigated by countless paranormal groups and has been featured on the TV shows Behind Mansion Walls, Paranormal Witness, Ghost Adventures, True Nightmares and the documentary The Haunting of Fox Hollow Farm. They had no idea they were sleeping next to complete monsters. Some even settle down with partners and have children, all while continuing to commit unspeakable crimes under the facade of having a normal family. There would be no trial. In June 1972, John WayneGacy married his second wife, Carol Hoff. I guess well never know the answer. The couple who bought the home have seen dismembered spirits in their home and in their woods. Like many predators, its possible Herb tried to protect himself by grooming his family to bring concerns to him instead of an outsider or the police. 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. Indianapolis Police Department, Seek the Truth Paranormal, people thought Julie Baumeister was a silly, stupid, or gullible woman, one man was shaken enough by a violent sexual encounter with a wealthy man named Brian Smart, Herb Baumeister could be responsible for an additional nine murders of men along I-70 in the 1980s, The couple who bought the home have seen dismembered spirits. But her picture is of a very young Thats why discussing my own issues, especially something as personal as sleeping habits, is difficult for me. A man named Tony Harris told the policeabout an encounter he had with someone who called himself"Brian." Rileys body was later found in a stream near I-70. Brian, he said, had a sexual strangulation fetish thing.. Doctor Psycho is a odcast thst searches the broken underbelly of society, shining a light on more neglected topics. WebJulie Baumeister told authorities that her husband made as many as 100 business trips to Ohio, on what he said was store business. ' The pair married in 1988, andMawson referred to their marriage as a happy and blissful 13 years. Robert denied having an affair and said he liked using the motels hot tub after a long day of work. Though his wife wasunaware herhusband wasa killer, Lynch did know about his other crimes due to his arrests and short stints injail. Nothing to worry about, Herb said, explaining that the skeleton had belonged to his late father, a doctor, who used it while studying anatomy in college. The pair married in 1971 and appeared to have a happy marriage. He found it in the woods by their home, the woods that were a part of the familys estate. But what about women who married serial killers before or during their crimes? At one point, Julie admitted that she and Herb only had sex six times in their entire 25 year marriage. I started recording myself and these sleepless moments, a log of my thoughts. August 15, 2017. But I always understood. The sheriffs office has no suspects in the deaths of the seven whose bones were found here. She was a part-time student at the university and a high school teacher. The victims were: By the time an arrest warrant was issued for Herb Baumeister, he had disappeared. Hoff married Gacy in 1972, and they were together for only four years. But Sgt. In 1988, Herb borrowed seed money from his mother to start his first Sav-A-Lot thrift store. It seems that there was a lot that Herb Baumeister didnt tell his wife. Now that we know more about abuse, Id venture a guess that she simply thought believing her husbands story and not asking questions was the safest option for her and her children. [00:07:30] By the mid-1990s, the Indianapolis Police and the Marion County Sheriffs Department knew they had a problem. And he was the perfect killer.. Their finances were doing well and their marriage was apparently stable. The truth was Smart didnt expect his late night pool guest to wake up at all, and thats what spooked him. What Julie didnt know was that though Herb was working during the day, he was cruising the gay nightclubs of Indianapolis by night, picking up young men who were never seen again. According to Troy Taylor, the founder of American Hauntings, Fox Hollow Farm has never disappointed, with groups that visited the farm reporting everything from voices and footsteps to feelings of being punched, pinched, and even choked. There were not witnesses, and there just wasnt enough usable evidence left behind. Herbs family had noted anti-social behavior in Herb since he was a child. Linda later visited her husband in jail, asking him, Do you know why you killed these women? When police arrested Robert L. Yates Jr. in connection with the murder of 13 people, his wife, Linda Yates, was in utter disbelief. Did they not care? There are instances of this in novels and movies too, and dating much earlier. But there was no severe punishment. Even [00:05:30] after she realized that it had somehow disappeared just a few days later. I suppose thats what happens when your hobby and your leisure activity becomes your work, your obsession. To some extent, everyone has a double life. This is a special five-part true crime series for the month of October. My thoughts, I cant seem to turn everything off and be able to just get some rest. Wives of serial killers could genuinely remain obliviousto their husbands' doings, as it's common forserial killers to lead double lives. One notable arrest in his past came after police had found him in an ally behind a womans clothing store with three mannequins, [00:15:30] all were dressed in lingerie. Leaving them exposed for the monsters they were underneath. Of her late husbands alleged killings, Julie told People, Our biggest question now is how he could have loved us and done this. In the years since the Baumeisters left the estate, dozens of people have reported that the farm is haunted, with some even claiming that the spirit of Herb Baumeister himself still walks there. The raccoons must have dragged it out of the garage. That was all right then, Julie thought. Theres something more. But its not just the endless pages of detailed, horrific crimes that keeps me awake at night. Earning the couple a small fortune in the first year alone. Whisman said that Mr. Baumeister, who with his wife owned two thrift stores, was the prime suspect in the disappearances of the young men, some of whom had been missing for more than three years. Ridgway, dubbed the Green River Killer,confessed to his crimes and faced convictions formurdering49women. Darciegot a divorce from her husband during his incarcerationand has since changed her and her children's names. Soon, Smart brought up the topic of autoerotic asphyxiation. The informant suspected that Smart had just snorted some cocaine. It also afforded Herb a lot of privacy, enough to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted without the fear of being discovered. This leads to faulty perception, inappropriate feelings and even actions. The informant felt that Smarts deviant behavior in the pool that evening might explain what happened to his missing friend Roger Goodlet. Youll find the makeshift graveyard beneath the drainage pipe just like his neighbor did where rib cages peeked out from an unkempt lawn. She simply believed he was engaging in extramarital affairs. The search yielded thousands of burnt, scattered human bone fragments, enough for at least 11 bodies. Harris new acquaintance took him on a long drive to a mansion with an indoor pool, where they engaged in the risky practice of erotic asphyxiation. Riley's murder was one of nine killings between 1980 and 1990 which the police believed were committed by the same person, but which remained unsolved. Its a neat election-year ploy to get some sheriffs, and some people who are incompetent, re-elected.. Then it all began to fall apart. For more podcasts from [00:22:00] iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. We were trying to touch each other through the glass, said Mawson. The odd [00:18:00] thing is that theres no record of Herb ever receiving treatment for either condition. According to the Associated Press, Hoff said Gacy started bringing home a lot of pictures of naked men" just before they separated, and one time, she found the wallets of several teenage men in his car. Herb went missing the day after the search started, and authorities found his body eight days later lying beside his car in a park. Members of the Graves family are far from the only ones who have reported strange goings-on at and around Fox Hollow Farm. Investigators, including private detectives hired by families of the missing, got the first clues that would connect the case to Baumeister when a man told them of a near-fatal 1992 encounter. Did they know about their spouses' double lives? But Herb Baumeister is the only suspect we have., Not everyone was as convinced. In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's You'll also hear a psychological profile of Herb Baumeister, prolific serial killer and murderer who turned his massive estate, "Fox Hollow Farm" into a burial ground. I could be wrong, but I feel that if I use this series as a way to talk through this, a way to work out some of these demons, I might be able to get to the other side, and I might end up in a better place. One common theory is that Herb tossed him in a river or lake before he pulled the trigger, and because he took his own life, Herb Baumeister [00:20:00] was never arrested for his crimes, never went to trial, and he never confessed to a single murder, not even in the rambling suicide note found near his body. When the informant finally opened his eyes, Smart appeared rattled, and he claimed he was scared because [00:12:00] the man had lost consciousness. As it turns out, [00:06:00] there was a lot more. Erich was carrying a human skull on a stick. Still, that year in 1994 Julie thought Herb was acting more strange than usual lately. When Julie asked Herb Baumeister, her husband of 23 years, about the bones, he told her they were from his anesthesiologist fathers medical school skeleton. He dropped out of college after just one semester and went to work as a copy boy for the Indianapolis Star Newspaper but returned to IU in the fall of 1967, and thats when he met his future wife, Julianna or Julie as she preferred to be called. Herbert Richard Baumeister was born on April 7th, 1947 in Indianapolis, Indiana. And the employees [00:21:00] of Save A Lot noticed that Herb would often disappear for several hours at a time right in the middle of the work day, and he always returned smelling like alcohol. While we do not discount the information that has and continues to come to light, we do not know the person whom we have read and heard about on TV [John Robinson is a] loving and caring husband and father We wait with each of you for the cloud of allegations and innuendo to clear, revealing, at last, the facts. In their 23 years of marriage she says theyd had sex six times, just enough to produce their three children. He had shot himself and left a three-page suicide note, but he did not mention the murders he was believed to have committed. The raccoon has since been removed. The Indianapolis Police ran a check on the license plate number, and the results pointed back to the cars owner. He never explained why he left his fathers old medical skeleton in the backyard, and Julie never asked. All of this is really just [00:16:00] the tip of the iceberg. Someone like Herb Baumeister. I know all about it, he said. Process every stage of your breakup: shock, denial, grief, sadness, insecurity, and anger while feeling supported and loved through your pain. Police believe that Baumeister may have murdered many more. There were mannequins all over the place and in different postures, including lounging around the pool area. The last few summers, shed taken the kids to the familys lakeside condo 100 miles away, leaving Herb to focus on business back in Westfield alone. Im supposed to be writing. The remains were pulled from the wooded area of the property, concealed under piles of fallen leaves and trash. Written and hosted by Scott Benjamin and produced by Miranda Hawkins, Alex Williams, Matt Frederick, and Josh Thane. Tell the wrong person, and youll end up in prison for life or receiving a death sentence. Julia agreed with the decision saying Herb was tired, and he needed help. Knock 30% off your purchase of select Naturvet products with Vitacost Coupon Code. I even go so far as to avoid eye contact with anyone [00:03:00] certain that Im guilty of something horrible, and they can somehow read it in my sleep deprived, blood shot eyes. Police asked for permission to search the property. On further inspection, the pair found a pile of bones - if reassembled it would make a fully formed human skeleton. [00:06:30] But that presents a problem for the killer. A lot of them were taken on their way to or on their way home from Indys gay nightclubs, but now in the fall of 1994, things were about to change. News, Julie Chen Moonves revealed why Kim Kardashian and Tom Brady could be a force to be reckoned with if they both were to He would push the mower and I would trim the bushes. Yet, if the police are correct and Herb Baumeister is also the I-70 Strangler, he had a sinister and deadly secret life that he was hiding from his family, stretching back over a decade. WebJulie celebrated 54th birthday on March 16. The meet while attending Indiana University and married after Julies graduation in 1971. Hoff told The New York Times that when she asked Gacy about the wallets, he became furious. [00:08:30] That doesnt match up with the mixed up confused thoughts and behaviors of someone who is an untreated schizophrenia. WebOP claimed that Julie Baumeister never allowed her kids friends into the house and one time the OP went inside to use the bathroom unannounced and the house was a hoarders paradise full of old furniture, clothes, decor and, creepily, multiple mannequins were posed among the clutter throughout the house. By 1974, Herb had taken a job with the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and was eventually promoted to program director. So were good., Related: 13 True Crime Books About Lesser-Known, Suspected Serial Killers. Lynch filed for divorce from Robinson in 2005. [00:04:30] He was arrested for drinking and driving in Rochester, Indiana, and sentenced to three days in jail in one year of probation. His father had been an anesthesiologist, and Herb said that the skeleton was nothing more than the remains of a medical school anatomical skeleton. Then Her He lacked a sense of propriety and his timing and judgment were off. Im just just laying here, cant seem to shut it down enough. According to Julie, Herb was a devoted and even doting father, helping his kids with everything from schoolwork to making their peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwiches. Occasionally, I get my hand on a few borrowed books here and there. The background of the shot is clearly [00:25:30] Baumeisters property. But the problem wasnt exactly [00:08:00] new to the authorities either. Related: The Brutal Case of BTK Serial Killer Dennis Rader. Intrigued and more than a little suspicious of the stranger, the informant introduced himself to the man. The man noted that Smart was driving a gray Buick with [00:10:00] Ohio license plates. Theres a breakdown in the relation between thought and emotion and behavior. By 1984, midway through this killing spree, their third child was born. Julie investigated and found additional bones. Smart asked the informant to strangle him first, and he went along with it. While police believe Dietz remainedin the dark about her husbands 10 murders, which took place from 1974 to 1991, some think she may have turned a blind eye to his crimes. Though Paula has never made an official statement, her daughter Kerri Rawson came forward in 2014 and contended the family never knew Dennis was responsible for the murders. They were well dressed, almost as if they were attending an upscale pool party. In 1998, a witness identified a photo of Herb Baumeister, saying that he had seen Baumeister leaving an Indianapolis nightclub with Michael Riley in 1983. I dreamed about him all the time. For his crime in Royal Oak, the judge gave Dotson a harsh sentence, a year and a half in prison. This number, however,is a conservative estimate: Ridgway believes he killed as many as 75 to 80 women. Some of my dads favorites that hed allow me to take off his shelf for a few weeks at a time. Im in a seemingly endless cycle of insomnia and all that comes with it. Since Beaumeister committed suicide before Other family members and associates include Herbert Saiter, Emily Saiter, Sandra Baumeister, Herbert Baumeister and Elizabeth Baumeister. The Baumeister family was ready to move into their new dream home. Both of his Save-A-Lot stores had now failed and had closed their doors for good. Were they in denial? If youre looking for modern examples those are easy to find too. 30 years ago, I never dreamed Id be doing what I am now. When questioned by police, Baumeister's wife Juliana told investigators that one of their kids found a human skull on the farm in December 1994. Newscaster: Herb [00:27:00] Baumeister of Carmel saw it all. After just a few days, investigators had recovered more than 5,000 bones, bone fragments and teeth that they eventually learned had belonged to four separate victims. It was called Fox Hollow Farm, and the sprawling property with the nearly 10,000 square foot house, horse stables, [00:03:30] a separate apartment, wooded areas, and even an indoor pool was the familys dream. In June of 1996 at the age of 49, Herbs life was continuing to crumble around him.