Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. In writing of him the Reverend John Gamble, a Moravian missionary said: "Mrs. Gamble and I love him as our own child and have not a complaint against him. Sometimes just white folks danced; sometimes just the black folks. Soon as you come out of the water you go over there and change clothes. He moved his family to this location and resided there two or three years, until he could establish himself in the west. Maybe old Master Joe Vann was harder. He come to our house and Mistress said for us Negroes to give him something to eat and we did. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. John Thompson. We had a smoke house full of hams and bacon. They'd sell 'em to folks at picnics and barbecues. The cooks would bring big iron pots, and cook things right there. chief joseph vann family tree. In 1842, 35 slaves of Joseph Vann, Lewis Ross, and other wealthy Cherokees at Webbers Falls, fled in a futile attempt to escape to Mexico, but were quickly recaptured by a Cherokee possee. Don't know much about him. Pappa got the soldier fever from being in the War; no, I don't mean like the chills and fever, but just a fever to be in the army, I guess for he joined the regular U.S. Army after a while, serving five years in the 10th Cavalry at Fort Sill during the same time John Adair of Tahelquah and John Gallagher of Muskogee was in the army. WikiTree is a community of genealogists growing an increasingly-accurate collaborative family tree that's 100% free for everyone forever. She won me lots of money, Black Hock did, and I kept it in the Savings Bank in Tahlequah. In the pre-dawn hours of November 15, 1842, the Negroes locked their still-sleeping masters and overseers in their homes. They spun the cottons and wool, weaved it and made cloth. When de War come old Master seen he was going into trouble and he sold off most of de slaves. I had the money Black Hock had won on the track. We left de furniture and only took grub and tools and bedding and clothes, cause they wasn't very big wagons and was only single-yoke. There Vann constructed a replica of his lost Georgia mansion. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. Everything was kept covered and every hogshead had a lock. They had run out of food and were starving, too weak and disillusioned to offer effective resistance. I'm gonna give Lucy this black mare. I got all my money and fine clothes from the marster and the missus. One time old Master and another man come and took some calves off and Pappy say old Master taking dem off to sell I didn't know what sell meant and I ast Pappy is he going to bring em back when he git through selling them. And we had corn bread and cakes baked every day. Sometimes we got to ride on one, cause we belonged to Old Jim Vann. Someone call our names and everybody get a present. Charles Thompson Susie Taylor. James Vann had several other wives and children. Poeple all a visitin'. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. He was descended from Robert The Bruce, King of Scotland. Some of the Indian families was Joe Dirt Eater, Six Killer (some of the Six Killers live a few miles SE of Afton at this time, 1938), Chewey Noi, and Gus Buffington. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. They'd clap their hands and holler. A few days later they caught up with the slaves, still in Indian Territory. My missus name was Doublehead before she married Jim Vann. Yes Lord, it was, havy mercy on me yes. Us slaves lived in log cabins dat only had one room and no windows so we kept de doors open most of de time. He was a multi-millionaire and handsome. Master Joe was sure a good provider, and we always had plenty of corn pone, sow belly and greens, sweet potatoes, cowpeas and cane molasses. In the master's yard was the slave cabin, one room long, dirt floor, no windows. Johnson Thompson's father had been owned by "Rich Joe" Vann. Joseph Vann is listed in the Cherokee census of 1835 as a resident of the Cherokee nation within the chartered limits of Hamilton County, Tennessee, his family consisting of fifteen persons. Isaac had been Young Joe's driver and he told me all about how rich Master Joe was and how he would look after us negroes. Florence Smith was my first wife and Ida Vann the second. (Curator dvb Note: VAn Zant County was created in 1848 9 years after the death of John Bowles and the name used today, from the division of the larger Henderson County. Master Jim and Missus Jennie was good to their slaves. The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. After several days of pursuit, the Indians caught up with the escaped slaves and a heated battle inflicted casualties on both sides. He got that message to the captain just the same. One day Missus Jennie say to Marster Jim, she says, "Mr. Vann, you come here. I always think of my old Master as de one dat freed me, and anyways Abraham Lincoln and none of his North people didn't look after me and buy my crop right after I was free like old Master did. There was music, fine music. De furniture is all gone, and some said de soldiers burned it up for firewood. Many Creeks joined the Cherokee searchers. Chief Cheakoneska Otterlifter John Trader Vann married Sister Raven Ani Gatagewi Dougherty and had 1 child. Mammy and pappy belong to W.P. Web. We had a good song I remember. I went to see dem lots of times and they was always glad to see me. After we got our presents we go way anywhere and visit colored folks on other plantation. Mistress say old Master and my pappy on the boat somewhere close to Louisville and the boiler bust and tear the boat up. The following oral history narrative is from the The WPA Oklahoma Slave Narratives in the Library of Congress, edited by T. Lindsay Baker, Julie Philips Baker: Yes Sa. He related an unpleasant encounter with "Little Joe" Vann, son of "Rich Joe" Vann. He wanted people to know he was able to dress his slaves in fine clothes. [Note from curator: these slave narratives are not under copyright]. The engineer's name was Jim Vann. After the old time rich folks die, them that had their money buried, they com back and haunt the places where it is. The following year, Joseph Vann and several of his black rebels died in the explosion of his steamboat Lucy Walker during a race on the Ohio River. I would have to go tromp seven miles to Mr. Scott's house two or three times a week to bring back some old peafowl dat had got out and gone back to de old place! Joseph William II Vann 1810-1854. My husband didn't give me nothing. Everbody goin' on races gamblin', drinkin', eatin', dancin', but it as all behavior everything all right. Another time his officer give him a message; he was on his way to deliver it when the enemy spy him and cry out to stop, but father said he kept on going until he was shot in the leg. Dere come six children; Charley, Alec, Laura, Harry Richard and Jeffy, who waS named after Jefferson Davis. My uncle used to baptize 'em. I had a silver dime on it, too, for along time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. It was bad, oh it was bad. I sure did love her. Their youngest son, Bird Doublehead, was only twelve years old at the time of Doublehead's assassination. Mammy went to a mean old man named Pepper Goodman and he took her off down de river, and pretty soon Mistress tell me she died cause she can't stand de rough treatment. The grandson reported that the Vann Family lived in that house until "the War," when some 3,000 federal troops descended upon Webbers Falls. Sometimes there was high waters that spoiled the current and the steamboast could't run. Click here for live data and advanced tools for collaboration, genetic genealogy, surname projects, etc. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. Husband of Polly Vann and Jennie Vann Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a great man, but I was told mostly by my children when dey come home from school about him. He had charge of all Master Chism's and Master Vann's race horses. Pretty soon everybody commenced a singing and a prayin'. When crop was laid by de slaves jest work round at dis and dat and keep tol'able busy. Doublehead's last wife was Nancy Drumgoole. Run it to the bank! but it sunk and him and old Master died. Old Mistress cried jest like any of de rest of us when de boat pull out with dem on it. The commissary was full of everyting good to eat. Oh they was good. The Chief Vann House, built between 1804 and 1806 by the Cherokee leader James Vann, is called the "Showplace of the Cherokee Nation ." It is located at the intersection of U.S. Highway 76 and Georgia 225 in Murray County, on the outskirts of Chatsworth in northwest Georgia. 5, Special Issue: American Culture and the American Frontier (Winter, 1981), pp. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. He had one brother and eight sisters. Yes, my dear Lord yes. She come up and put her nose on your just like this---nibble nibble, nibble. Joseph Vann was born February 11, 1798 near Springplace in the Cherokee Nation (now Georgia) the son of James Vann and Nancy Brown. Old Master bought de cotton in Ft. Smith, because he didn't raise no cotton, but he had a few sheep and we had wool mix for winter. In the morning we got up early, made a fire, and made a big pot of coffee. They'd bring whole wagon loads of hams, chickens and cake and pie. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. 1746, and died July 16, 1839 in Van Zant County, Texas. The following slave narratives all mention the Vanns. In 1829 Clement Vann told General Coffee that he was 83 years old and had been in the Cherokee nation for fifty years.Therefore it is highly unlikely that he could have been the father of the Cherokee Chief, James Vann b 1766, well before Clement Vann entered the Cherokee nation. That mean't she want a biscuit with a little butter on it. Marster never whipped no one. We take a big pot to fry fish in and we'd all eat till we nearly bust. , Nancy Vann, John Shepherd Vann, David Vann, Jane Elizabeth Vann, Sallie Blackburn Vore (born Vann), Joseph W. Vann, William Vann, Miner https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/collection/1030/tree/69753803/person/36207324186/media/f7398599-0630-429e-b3f8-1944ec3951cd?_phsrc=RGj23082&_phstart=successSource, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States of America, Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia, United States, Cherokee () Principal Chiefs and Uka: Eastern, Western and Keetoowah, Chief Joseph Rich Joe Vann, Principal Chief, http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lpproots/Neeley/cvann.htm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Walker_steamboat_disaster. They had fine furniture that Marster Vann had brought home in a steamboat from far away. There was lots of preserves. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. I remember that home after the war brought my pappa back home. Mother Catherine Sarah King. The first time I married was to Clara Nevens, and I wore checked wool pants, and a blue striped cotton shirt. Yes I was! He wouldn' take us way off, but just for a ride. They make pens out in the shallow water with poles every little ways from the river banks. He owned 110 slaves and on his plantation there were thirty-five houses, a mill and a ferry boat. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. The married folks lived in little houses and there was big long houses for all the single men. My mother was born way back in the hills of the old Flint district of the Cherokee Nation; just about where Scraper Oklahoma is now. No fusses, no bad words, no nothin like that. There was a big dinner bell in the yard. Alexander Thompson Ruth Phillips and Elmira McLain and Elmira McLain. There was great big wooden scaffolds. She was raised up at dat mill, but she was borned in Tennessee before dey come out to de nation. I'm goin' give Lucy this black mare. Everybody, white folks and colored folks, having good itme. Although Lucinda Vann was owned by Jim Vann, she told about the death of "Rich Joe" Vann and the recovery of one of his arms, following the deadly explosion on his steamboat, the Lucy Walker. Dey was both raised round Webber's Falls somewhere. Master Jim and Missus Jennie was good to their slaves. Everybody cry, everybody'd pretty nearly die. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky and back. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. But we couldn't learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. Lucinda Vann tells an unusual story of plantation life from the perspective of a house slave who was born with privileges. Pappy's name was Caesar Sheppard and Mammy's name was Easter. Women came in satin dresses, all dressd up, big combs in their hair, lots of rings and bracelets. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of Negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptised. There'd be a whole wagon-load of things come and be put on the tree. When Mammy went old Mistress took me to de Big House to help her and she was kind to me like I was part of her own family. He never come until the next day, so dey had to sleep in dat pen in a pile like hogs. In one month you have to get back. My marster and missus buried their money and valuables everywhere. He was the husband of Mary (Courtney) Hicks b. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I aint had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. A few years of her life were also quite possibly spent among Seminoles during part of that time, although her memory of the death of Joseph "Rich Joe" Vann is clearly a part of Cherokee history. It wasn't my Master done dat. My grandmother Clarinda Vann, bossed the kitchen and the washing and turned the key to the big bank. Some of us had money. Christmas lasted a whole month. They get something they need too. My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. We got letters all the time form Indians back in the territory. Master went plumb blind after he move back to Webber's Falls and so he move up on de Illinois River, about three miles from de Arkansas, and there old Mistress take de white swelling and die and den he die pretty soon. When the war broke out, lots of Indians mustered up and went out of the territory. Everybody had plenty to eat and plenty to throw away. We settled down a little ways above Fort Gibson. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. We had seven horses and a litle buffalo we'd raised from when its little. Phebe Vann 1798-1840. He done already sold 'em to a man and it was dat man was waiting for de trader. Chief James Clement Vann Birth 11 Feb 1765 - Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States Death 21 Feb 1809 - Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA Mother WahLi Wa-Wli aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan Father John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann Quick access Family tree New search Chief James Clement Vann family tree The women dressed in whtie, if they had a white dress to wear. Everybody laugh and was happy. Old Master Joe had a mighty big farm and several families of Negroes, and he was a powerful rich man. Lord yes su-er. Vann's mother was a Cherokee woman named Wah-Li and his father a Scot named either James or Clement Vann. Little hog, big hog, didn't make no difference. I went to the missionary Baptist church where Marster and Missus went. Ruth Thompson *. Lord yes, su-er. I dont know, but that was before my time. Two of his relatives, Tahlonteeskee and John Jolly, were also leaders among the Chickamauga and both later became Principal Chiefs of the Cherokee Nation. Single girls waited on the tables in the big house. Joseph David Vann in MyHeritage family trees (Chamblin Web Site) view all 15 Immediate Family Lamilla Dawn Vann wife Martha Garner daughter Permelia (Vann) Barfield Sansom daughter Millie Ann (Vann) Hodges daughter David Vann son Paul David Vann son John Joseph Vann, "The Interpreter" father Elizabeth Betsy Vann mother Mary Pruitt sister Sponsored by Ancestry . She turned the key to the commissary too. Our clothes was home-made---cotton in the summer, mostly just a long-tailed shirt and no shoes, and wood goods in the winter. Young Joseph was his father's favorite child and primary recipient of his father's estate and wealth. They never sent us anywhere with a cotton dress. I don't remember much about my pappy's mother; but I remember she would milk for a man named Columbus Balreade and she went to prayer meeting every Wednesday night.